Wednesday, September 06, 2006

Eighteen

When I had phoned her to set up a meeting I told her she could bring the father of the baby or any other support person she wanted. She had told me "The only support I need is the man upstairs," referring, I think, to God and not the upstairs tenant.

She was 36 weeks pregnant, carrying a baby with Trisomy 18, diagnosed by chromosome analysis of amniotic fluid. Her midwife had asked me to speak with her. The midwife said mom didn't believe the diagnosis. She claimed that in a previous pregnancy they told her the baby had Down syndrome and he had turned out fine, with no chromosome problem.

I began our conversation by trying to find out what mom knew, to see what her understanding was. She talked as if she had some denial of the problem, but as we talked further I could tell she really was understanding. I told her the bad news about kids with trisomy 18, that they have multiple birth defects, that 90% die by age one year, that the survivors are severely developmentally disabled. I told her that many people think it okay to not do heroic treatment with these kids, but to let nature take its course, allowing them to die.

Mom was very nice, but she wasn't ready to give up on her child. She wants the baby resuscitated, to see her in the flesh, to see the evidence, I guess, of the Trisomy 18. She said it would then be in God's hands, but let me know she might be open to letting nature take its course.

What a horrible situation for a mother to be in. At a time when she should be thrilled with the impending birth of a child, when she can feel it kicking, living inside her, she has to come to grips with the fact that this is far from a healthy baby, that there will be far from the joy she would have, should have, with a normal baby. Instead of reading brochures about parenting or cribs, she has to read information I gave her about the bad things her child has and support groups to help her cope. Once again, I am thankful for my own healthy children. Once again, I am amazed at the hard, hard things people encounter in life. She'll be on my mind the next few weeks.

25 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I admire that mother's strength.

12:48 PM  
Blogger Big Lebowski Store said...

Good for her. Now excuse me while I duck under my computer table before the "who's gonna pay for it?" crowd starts whaling on me.

best,

Flea

8:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hehehe....YOU pay for it. That huge chunk that the feds deduct from your salary every month go towards 'nurturing' such kids. I really wonder what her response would be if we told her that she will have to pay half of the costs incurred. I am sure her position would change rather drastically.
On the other hand, we have some bloggers (the pro-life activists) who probably would be more than glad to take care of this child ;))
I do agree though that this is a devastating time for the mother, who probably has limited intelligence and resources.

8:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How well I remember my patient, the nurse who was carrying a trisomy 18 baby. She too was not ready to give up on her baby and believed that faith would result in a cure. She wanted "everything done" for her baby, so I gratefully sent her off to the tertiary care center for the birth. She called me in tears a week later. Her baby was dead. The tertiary care center L&D was extremely busy. Despite my several conversations with the attendings, and despite her ability as a nurse to let her feelings be known, her trisomy 18 baby was born unattended and there were no resuscitative attempts. She was devastated. I sent her back to the tertiary care center attending for another visit, just to talk, but more than an hour of talk later she was still unable to believe that her baby would have died even if the intern had been present for the birth, even if the pediatricians had tried to resuscitate the baby. What went wrong? How well I understand the triage necessary on a very busy L&D--you have to help the babies who are going to live. And this woman's expectations may have been unreasonable. So I hope your patient gets what she expects when her baby is born, and I hope she doesn't expect too much.

9:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A tough situation indeed for a mother to be in at any age.

Interesting comments.

10:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Couldn't imagine going through that one. The child's life is important, nonetheless, as I'm sure many will gain in some way or another, whether he/she lives 2 minutes or 2 years. I'm just glad she has you for the doc. I'm also wondering why some of the doctors posting comments get so bent out of shape over costs. Were costs, politics, or the like, any part of that oath you guys take?? Wondering what made some of you so callous. And no, not wanting to argue or debate, it's a sincere question.

11:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just hope that the baby doesn't feel pain for "2 minutes or 2 years". Yes, it's a sad and difficult situation for the mother. Apparently in her opinion, giving birth to the child allows her to feel that it's in the hands of a higher power (absolving her from the guilt of having opted to terminate). I personally don't think this course is a very kind or pain-free proposition for the baby, though. If I were her, I'd feel a whole lot worse by allowing my baby to suffer for minutes, hours, or longer than to have let him go earlier on. It's a lose-lose situation.

11:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wrote about my own decision-making process for terminating my trisomy 18 baby in the comments section of your "Decision" post awhile back: https://beta.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21715508&postID=115497187961361909

Rather than rehash why I feel ending a pregnancy is an ethical and merciful option in the case of T18, I'll just say that the reasons I outlined in that comment remain the same ...

Of course, if I found out my daughter had T18 in the third trimester, then termination would not be an option. So in this case I would have chosen comfort care and gone the "DNR" route.

My reasons have nothing to do with monetary costs of care and everything to do with what the care costs the child. Extra pain from treatments & procedures, limited physical contact with parents due to tubes and wires, and even just the unrelenting harsh noise of the NICU are miseries that I don't think a terminally ill infant should be forced to endure. We put kids through those things if there is a chance that they will be able to move on to something better -- even just marginally better -- in terms of quality of life. But the tragic reality is that T18 babies who receive every medical treatment available tend NOT see a large increase in length of life. And the quality of life is much worse than they would have with no extreme measures.

My heart goes out to this poor woman. I know the agony that she's in firsthand (unlike the sea of "anonymi" out here cavalierly making jokes about her situation). And I certainly understand how she's come to this decision. But, let's not call her "strong" for doing this. I don't see much that's strong or heroic about what is going to happen to the baby if she goes the no-holds-barred route for care after the birth.

1:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My heart goes out to her. My own religious beliefs would never allow me to terminate a pregnancy and I would have to trust God's judgement on the subject as well. One never knows some things until one can see them for oneself. And sometimes, God brings us the hard things to help us in ways we can't imagine. (Thanks, JW, for teaching me that.)

2:13 PM  
Blogger Judy said...

A small percentage of Trisomy 18 babies have a T18 mosaicism. Those babies may have few or none of the typical anomalies associated with Trisomy 18 and their prognosis is a total mystery as it depends entirely on the percentage of the mosaicism.

Although I work in a hospital with a reputation for resuscitating all but the most hopess - and then generally only with the consent of the parents -- a mom came to us once with just such a baby. She knew of the T18 mosaicism, but came to us as a "no prenatal care" rather than admit that. She was afraid that she'd be treated as was anonymous 9:04's patient.

We would not have done that, but she wasn't taking any chances. She wanted us to promise her a long and happy life for that baby. We can't. He did leave us nipple feeding (VERY unusual for a T18 kid) and otherwise acting more or less normal. He didn't have any of the cardiac anomalies that are so typical either.

I wish she had stayed in touch. I'd love to know what happens to him.

The "who's going to pay for it" folks need to look at some of the other ways our society pours money down rat holes before they lament spending money on a child. Any child.

11:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again, if you are not in the medical profession, it is easy to mouth platitudes. We would love to spend money on resuscitating/sustaining a trisomy 18 rather than spend millions of dollars looking for a liver for a alcohic scumbag with cirrhosis. But the fact of the matter is that the funding for Pediatrics is limited. We have to make do with what little we have. Money spent on kids like these is taken away from educational/medical programs necessary for kids who have a chance at life. If in some way, the pediatric population would have a say in the elections, this would rapidly change!

12:04 AM  
Blogger R said...

I won't ask you to define 'a life' but do remember that if the 1-year survival rate for full T18 is as high as 10% currently - and may well rise with future medical advances - then the medical support of a T18 baby is hardly futile care. The oldest documented current survivor that I could find is a woman of 24 (last year so presumably now 25 unless she's died in the meantime). Neonatal death in T13 and T18 is probable, yes, but not inevitable.

1:23 PM  
Blogger Judy said...

anonymous,
Flea is a pediatrician and I'm a NICU nurse. We're on the front lines. We learn things from every baby we care for - whether that child lives for a day or 80 years.

Sometimes what we learn costs more than it seems to be worth at the time and it is appropriate to set limits - but the limits should err in favor of life.

With this T18 mosaic infant, for example, our docs advised the mother that they felt it would be inappropriate to perform a tracheostomy or place a G-tube for feedings. Both proved quite unnecessary in any case. None of us is sorry that the baby was placed on life support initially.

2:17 PM  
Blogger neonataldoc said...

Thanks for the comments. I don't have much to add. I'm not convinced that spending money on a Trisomy 18 child directly affects spending on other children's/pediatric programs.

7:44 PM  
Blogger R said...

I've just wandered over to and had a browse around on the SOFT website and found a few nice pictures. Dunno what trisomy these 2 young ladies have but it sure looks like they're having fun.

7:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess it all depends upon what one's definition of "fun" is. Frankly, I got tears in my eyes when I looked at the photo of the two girls. If someone wasn't holding one girl up to the other in the wheelchair, they probably wouldn't even realize there was another child there. Sweet, poor kids.

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11:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wandered into this discussion as I searched the internet for evidence of intracranial or retinal hemorrhaging in infants with Trisomy 18.
I would not have my niece of 19 mos, who is full T18, any other way. We are blessed she is here. No one can dissuade me with lame arguments of cost or 'quality of life'. Her life is full and happy. Her costs born by her family. She is a gift, as are all of our relationships.

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